Leslie Vernick is a wise voice. She is a relational coach with a focus on helping women in difficult relationships. Her latest book, The Emotionally Destructive Marriage, is essential for anyone in a difficult and possibly abusive marriage.

On the podcast we talk about how each of us just made a major move—me to Sarasota, Florida, as many of you know, and Leslie to Arizona. Leslie and her husband moved cross country from Pennsylvania, and Mike and I went North to South from Chicago to Florida. We both traded up for a better climate! But what are the trade offs? What happens when you lose your relational network? Leslie brings her licensed counselor hat to the conversation and talks broadly about all kinds of transitions.

If this is where you find yourself, or you know a friend walking this road, then listen and pass on the link!